Why does my chart look different on every site?
Two calculators can start from the same birth data and still draw different charts. The usual reasons are the house system (Placidus or whole sign), the zodiac (tropical or sidereal), the orb each site allows for aspects, a birth time that is off by a few minutes, and the time zone rule the site applies to your birth year. The planets themselves almost never differ between serious calculators.
Below, one sample birth is cast every way a site can differ. Every number on this page is computed by our own engine when the page is built, so you can see how large each difference really is.
The sample birth
June 12, 1981, 14:30 local time, Istanbul. The clocks there stood at UTC+03:00, so the moment is 11:30 UT. Rising sign: Libra 9°38′.
The lines the tool prints for the sample birth:
Time used: 14:30 local time, UTC+03:00, which is 11:30 UT.
Houses: Placidus. Aspect orbs: conjunction 8°, sextile 4°, square 7°, trine 7°, opposition 8°.
§ 01
House systems: same planets, different houses
The houses split the sky into twelve sectors, and there is more than one way to draw the lines. Placidus, the usual default on Western sites, divides the sky by time, so its houses come out uneven. Whole sign, the oldest method and the default in several apps, makes the rising sign the whole first house, the next sign the second, and so on.
The planets keep their signs and degrees. What changes is the house they land in, and every reading built on houses changes with it.
In the sample, 5 of the ten planets change house between the two systems.
| Planet | Position | Placidus | Whole sign |
|---|---|---|---|
| Sun | Gemini 21°24′ | 9 | 9 |
| Moon | Libra 24°50′ | 1 | 1 |
| Mercury | Cancer 4°52′ | 9 | 10 |
| Venus | Cancer 8°49′ | 9 | 10 |
| Mars | Gemini 5°09′ | 8 | 9 |
| Jupiter | Libra 0°48′ | 12 | 1 |
| Saturn | Libra 3°02′ | 12 | 1 |
| Uranus | Scorpio 27°07′ | 2 | 2 |
| Neptune | Sagittarius 23°32′ | 3 | 3 |
| Pluto | Libra 21°38′ | 1 | 1 |
§ 02
Tropical or sidereal: the signs shift by about 24°
Western astrology uses the tropical zodiac, which is tied to the seasons: 0° Aries is the point where the Sun crosses the equator in March. Vedic astrology uses a sidereal zodiac, which is tied to the stars. The equinox drifts slowly against the stars, so today the two zodiacs are about 24° apart.
A site that defaults to sidereal, or an app built on Vedic astrology, moves every point back by that angle. A planet in the first 24° of a sign lands in the sign before it.
Lahiri ayanamsa at the sample moment: 23.59°.
| Point | Tropical | Sidereal (Lahiri) |
|---|---|---|
| Sun | Gemini 21°24′ | Taurus 27°48′ |
| Moon | Libra 24°50′ | Libra 1°15′ |
| Ascendant | Libra 9°38′ | Virgo 16°02′ |
§ 03
Orbs: which aspects count
An aspect is an angle between two planets: 0° for a conjunction, 60° for a sextile, 90° for a square, 120° for a trine and 180° for an opposition. Planets are rarely exact, so every calculator allows a margin, the orb. There is no standard. Some sites allow 10° or more, others 5° or less.
A wider orb finds more aspects, and it can complete a pattern such as a grand trine or a T-square that a tighter orb leaves open. When two sites list different aspects for the same chart, compare their orbs first.
Aspects found in the sample: 12 with tight orbs, 14 with ours, 20 with wide orbs. The table lists only the aspects that at least one of the three sets misses.
Tight: conjunction 6°, sextile 3°, square 5°, trine 5°, opposition 6°. Ours: conjunction 8°, sextile 4°, square 7°, trine 7°, opposition 8°. Wide: conjunction 10°, sextile 6°, square 10°, trine 10°, opposition 10°.
| Planets | Aspect | Orb | Tight | Ours | Wide |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jupiter / Uranus | Sextile | 3.7° | no | yes | yes |
| Venus / Saturn | Square | 5.8° | no | yes | yes |
| Saturn / Uranus | Sextile | 5.9° | no | no | yes |
| Jupiter / Neptune | Square | 7.3° | no | no | yes |
| Venus / Jupiter | Square | 8.0° | no | no | yes |
| Mars / Uranus | Opposition | 8.0° | no | no | yes |
| Sun / Jupiter | Square | 9.4° | no | no | yes |
| Saturn / Neptune | Square | 9.5° | no | no | yes |
§ 04
Birth time: a few minutes move the rising sign
The rising sign runs through the whole zodiac in a day, about one degree every four minutes, and the Midheaven and the house cusps move with it. The Moon moves about half a degree an hour, the planets far less.
Birth records are often rounded to the quarter or half hour, and family memory is looser still. If your rising degree sits near the edge of a sign, a small change in the time can change the sign itself.
| Birth time | Rising sign | Midheaven | Moon | Planets that change house |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| -60 min | Virgo 27°44′ | Gemini 27°22′ | Libra 24°20′ | 7 |
| -30 min | Libra 3°41′ | Cancer 4°16′ | Libra 24°35′ | 3 |
| -10 min | Libra 7°39′ | Cancer 8°53′ | Libra 24°45′ | 1 |
| 14:30 (as entered) | Libra 9°38′ | Cancer 11°12′ | Libra 24°50′ | 0 |
| +10 min | Libra 11°37′ | Cancer 13°31′ | Libra 24°55′ | 0 |
| +30 min | Libra 15°34′ | Cancer 18°11′ | Libra 25°05′ | 0 |
| +60 min | Libra 21°29′ | Cancer 25°16′ | Libra 25°20′ | 0 |
§ 05
Time zones and summer time: what the clocks said in your birth year
A chart is cast for Universal Time, so a calculator has to know what the clocks in your birthplace said on that exact date. The rules changed often, and a site that applies today's rules to the past can be off by an hour.
Turkey is a clear case. According to the IANA time zone database, Turkish clocks moved to UTC+3 in April 1978 and stayed there, winters included, until the end of October 1984. In the summer of 1983 they went one hour further, to UTC+4. Turkey then used UTC+2 in winter again, and it has stayed on UTC+3 all year since 2016.
Bulgaria had no summer time from 1945 until 1979. Germany had none from 1950 until 1980, and Berlin used double summer time, UTC+3, for part of 1945 and 1947. France moved its clocks to German time, UTC+2, in June 1940 and had no summer time from the autumn of 1945 until 1976.
The database's own documentation warns that many entries before 1970 rest on thin sources. For an older birth, check the time basis on the birth certificate or with a local archive.
| Place | Date, 12:00 local time | UTC offset |
|---|---|---|
| Istanbul | January 15, 1977 | UTC+02:00 |
| Istanbul | January 15, 1980 | UTC+03:00 |
| Istanbul | August 15, 1983 | UTC+04:00 (summer time) |
| Istanbul | January 15, 1985 | UTC+02:00 |
| Istanbul | January 15, 2017 | UTC+03:00 |
| Sofia | July 15, 1978 | UTC+02:00 |
| Sofia | July 15, 1979 | UTC+03:00 (summer time) |
| Berlin | June 1, 1947 | UTC+03:00 (summer time) |
| Berlin | July 15, 1965 | UTC+01:00 |
| Berlin | July 15, 1980 | UTC+02:00 (summer time) |
| Paris | January 15, 1941 | UTC+02:00 |
| Paris | July 15, 1965 | UTC+01:00 |
| Paris | July 15, 1976 | UTC+02:00 (summer time) |
When a site applies today's rules
- Istanbul, January 15, 1980, 14:30: the clocks said UTC+03:00. A calculator that assumes UTC+02:00 puts the rising sign at Gemini 23°09′ instead of Gemini 7°26′.
- Sofia, July 15, 1978, 14:30: the clocks said UTC+02:00. A calculator that assumes UTC+03:00 puts the rising sign at Scorpio 0°03′ instead of Scorpio 11°37′.
§ 06
Midnight births: which day, and is 00:00 real?
00:00 is the first minute of a day, and 24:00 is the end of the same day, the same instant as 00:00 of the next one. A birth written down as midnight can land on either date, depending on how the record was kept, and the two charts are a whole day apart.
Many forms also fill in 00:00 when the time is unknown. The rising sign and the houses are then a guess, and the Moon can be off by up to 13°. If you do not know your time, say so: our tools then use noon, which keeps the Moon within about 7° either way, and mark the chart as approximate.
| Moment | Rising sign | Moon |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 on June 12, 1981 | Aquarius 17°38′ | Libra 17°38′ |
| 12:00 on June 12, 1981 | Virgo 9°55′ | Libra 23°36′ |
| 24:00 on June 12, 1981 | Aquarius 19°04′ | Libra 29°33′ |
§ 07
Coordinates: the city center or your real birthplace
The rising sign depends on longitude as well as time: one degree of longitude is worth four minutes of sidereal time. A site that takes the capital or the nearest big city instead of your real birthplace shifts the angles, even inside one time zone.
The table casts the same clock time, 14:30 on the sample date, in three Turkish cities. Latitude changes the house sizes too, which matters most for Placidus at high latitudes.
| Place | Longitude | Rising sign | Midheaven |
|---|---|---|---|
| Istanbul | 28.98° E | Libra 9°38′ | Cancer 11°12′ |
| Edirne | 26.56° E | Libra 7°40′ | Cancer 8°58′ |
| Ankara | 32.86° E | Libra 12°50′ | Cancer 14°47′ |
§ 08
What NovaOracles shows you
Under every chart, the birth chart tool prints how it read your time: the local time you entered, the UTC offset in force on that date with summer time flagged, and the resulting Universal Time. It also names the house system and lists the orbs it uses. The offset comes from the IANA time zone database built into your browser.
Placidus and whole sign are one toggle apart, and so are tropical and sidereal. A birth at exactly 00:00 gets a note, and an unknown time falls back to noon with a warning.
Cast your birth chartChecklist before you compare two charts
- 01The same date, time and place on both sites, with the time in 24-hour form.
- 02The same UTC offset: look for the line that shows how the site read your time, or compare the Universal Time each one used.
- 03The same zodiac: tropical on both, or sidereal with the same ayanamsa.
- 04The same house system. Placidus, whole sign, Koch, Porphyry and equal houses all differ.
- 05The same orbs, if the aspect lists do not match.
- 06For a midnight birth, which date the record means.
- 07For a birth before 1970, the local clock time confirmed by a birth certificate or an archive.
FAQ
Frequently asked questions
- Which house system is the correct one?
- None is correct in a physical sense; they are different conventions for dividing the sky. Placidus is the usual default on Western sites, and whole sign, the oldest method, is popular again. Pick one and keep it when you compare charts.
- Two sites give me different rising signs. Which one is right?
- First check that both used the same UTC offset for your birth date; an hour's error moves the rising sign by about 15°. Then check the birth time itself. If both match and the rising sign still differs, one of the sites is probably using a sidereal zodiac.
- Does NovaOracles apply daylight saving time automatically?
- Yes. The tool reads the offset that was in force at your birthplace on your birth date from the IANA time zone database, summer time included, and prints it under the chart so you can check it. Do not subtract an hour yourself.
- My birth certificate says 00:00. Which date do I enter?
- Enter the date on the certificate with 00:00; that is the first minute of that day. If the record might mean the end of the previous day, cast both charts and compare the Moon and the rising sign, or ask the registry office how it writes midnight.
Sources and method
- IANA time zone database, file "europe" (Turkey, Bulgaria, Germany, France)
- IANA: Theory and pragmatics of the tz code and data
- Swiss Ephemeris documentation: house systems and sidereal modes
- Jean Meeus, Astronomical Algorithms, 2nd edition (1998)
Positions, angles, houses and aspects come from our engine (VSOP87 planets, Meeus lunar theory). Clock history comes from the IANA time zone database as built into the software that rendered this page. Sample coordinates are city centers.
How accurate is the engine itself? Our comparison with NASA, USNO and Swiss EphemerisRead the guide
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